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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:01 am
This was stated on the first page, for some reason the site won't let me quote it.

"What about the whole deal with the TimeTurner? I mean, I know there were supposed to be regulations on how you can use it and such, but why didn't someone just go back in time and take down Voldemort before he started making Horcruxes? Or make it so that Merope Gaunt and Tom Riddle Senior never met?:"

The thing is, even if you did go back in time to stop Voldemort, it wouldn't have made a difference. As we see in POA, Hermione and Harry travel in time to try and change it, just to see that what they did has always happened. Buckbeak was never killed, Sirius always excaped. It was never not that way.

If someone was to try and 'take down' Voldemort in the past, it would not have made any change on the future. You see, the person who time-traveled has always done so. And based on their actions, the fututre is the way it is. Again, this is shown in POA.

Time travel is such a conplex thing. But I can say that based on this book, and many others, no matter what a time-traveler has done in the past, the future will always turn out the same, because that person was ment to time-travel. They always had, and always will.

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Simona wrote:What about the whole deal with the TimeTurner? I mean, I know there were supposed to be regulations on how you can use it and such, but why didn't someone just go back in time and take down Voldemort before he started making Horcruxes? Or make it so that Merope Gaunt and Tom Riddle Senior never met?


The thing is, even if you did go back in time to stop Voldemort, it wouldn't have made a difference. As we see in POA, Hermione and Harry travel in time to try and change it, just to see that what they did has always happened. Buckbeak was never killed, Sirius always excaped. It was never not that way.

If someone was to try and 'take down' Voldemort in the past, it would not have made any change on the future. You see, the person who time-traveled has always done so. And based on their actions, the fututre is the way it is. Again, this is shown in POA.

Time travel is such a conplex thing. But I can say that based on this book, and many others, no matter what a time-traveler has done in the past, the future will always turn out the same, because that person was ment to time-travel. They always had, and always will.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:23 pm
Sanderz wrote:^ Yup, and that seems like a lot of things to teach a kid in before 11. I dunno, Math, Science, Geography, etc., all going behind the scenes without us seeing? It's odd. I wonder if J. K. Rowling ever answered this question...


well, somebody from the UK could explain us the education system... I think they go to the elementary school and than choose middle/high school... which are often boarding schools... Isn't Duds going to some fancy schmancy boarding school?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:33 pm
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valeriux4000 wrote:But i am still ... fuzzy about the security... Do they check the people when they come on to visit? Even if it was only Barty they should have checked if he carried any magical stuff with him , that could liberate his son.

They let prisoners wander free there. Wanna know why? Within 'bout a day of being near dementors you're so depressed you don't have the will to even try escaping.


I don't remember hearing that. Has it just been a long time since I read the books?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:42 pm
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Sanderz wrote:^ Yup, and that seems like a lot of things to teach a kid in before 11. I dunno, Math, Science, Geography, etc., all going behind the scenes without us seeing? It's odd. I wonder if J. K. Rowling ever answered this question...


well, somebody from the UK could explain us the education system... I think they go to the elementary school and than choose middle/high school... which are often boarding schools... Isn't Duds going to some fancy schmancy boarding school?

Primary school from 5-11, which most of the kids probably went to...I believe that the kids raised by wizards were homeschooled until then, I think.

Then in Year 6, you pick a secondary school which you'll attend til 16 or 18. For arguments sake, let's stick with 18. Dudley, I believe, goes to a public school (which confusingly, is actually a private boarding school, but that's how we roll over here).

Normal secondary schools aren't boarding schools. It's usually the upper-classes that go to boarding schools.

It is very normal to do Maths, Science, History and Geography in the course of a day at a British primary school, let alone seven years. I don't know how schools work in America but I find it a little odd if you don't do those subjects, considering we start basic algebra aged 10/11 and are supposed to have a good basic knowledge of the last 150 years of British history by aged 11 and knowing about basic geography of Europe by the same age. As for Science, it's mostly just observation skills, like I specifically remember doing an experiment about floating and sinking, to demonstrate the concept of density.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:33 pm
Misanthrope16 wrote:I don't remember hearing that. Has it just been a long time since I read the books?

No - I'm rereading the third book, and it very clearly states that the prisoners are in cells.
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VenusHalley wrote:well, somebody from the UK could explain us the education system... I think they go to the elementary school and than choose middle/high school... which are often boarding schools... Isn't Duds going to some fancy schmancy boarding school?

No, that's not how it works. 'Least not Scotland.

When you're five, you start primary, which is the equivilant to elementary. You go there for seven years, until your about 11-12, then start secondary, which is the same as highschool. We don't have middle schools.
Most primary schools are public, but you can choose to go to a private or public secondary. We don't really have a lot of boarding schools, most people just put their kids in private if they want a fancy school. Dudley's school wasn't a boarding school, it was just one of the posh private ones. They usually have those ridiculous old fashioned uniforms, that's really how you can tell.

This is where it gets kinda different from what Corporal said.
Here, during primary you mostly get taught english and math. Primary one is mostly dedicated to teaching you the basics; reading, writing, spelling, beginner's math, coutning, colors. Primary two in mostly all that, at a higher level, along with art and music. Every year above that is mostly just the same stuff, but more advanced. No geography, some basic science is only taught in the last three years, the biggest amount of history you get is studying WWII in your last year. Heck, "english" is just teaching about grammar and spelling, only in primary seven did anyone ever do creative writing, and that was it, no learning close reading, ect, just writing.

Secondary is where you really get you get introduced to subjects like history, geography, science.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:24 am
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Reilly wrote:They let prisoners wander free there. Wanna know why? Within 'bout a day of being near dementors you're so depressed you don't have the will to even try escaping.

I don't remember hearing that. Has it just been a long time since I read the books?

No - I'm rereading the third book, and it very clearly states that the prisoners are in cells

Lupin at one point said they were so trapped in their own minds that there was no need to keep them in cells. I can't exactly remember where though.
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VenusHalley wrote:well, somebody from the UK could explain us the education system... I think they go to the elementary school and than choose middle/high school... which are often boarding schools... Isn't Duds going to some fancy schmancy boarding school?

No, that's not how it works. 'Least not Scotland.

Scotland has a different education system from England though, and the English curriculum has probably changed since I was at school.
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VenusHalley wrote:well, somebody from the UK could explain us the education system... I think they go to the elementary school and than choose middle/high school... which are often boarding schools... Isn't Duds going to some fancy schmancy boarding school?

No, that's not how it works. 'Least not Scotland.

Scotland has a different education system from England though, and the English curriculum has probably changed since I was at school.

Venus just said UK, never really specified England or Scotland. I'm not very knowledgeable about other countries' education systems, so I just like to make it clear that whatever I say only ever applies to Scotland.
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Reilly wrote:Lupin at one point said they were so trapped in their own minds that there was no need to keep them in cells. I can't exactly remember where though.


He said they didn't need to, but never said they didn't. Azkaban was described as a huge fortress in the middle of the ocean, but he went on to suggest the cells and the ocean and the big walls were superfluous because of what dementors do.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:19 pm
Reilly wrote:Venus just said UK, never really specified England or Scotland. I'm not very knowledgeable about other countries' education systems, so I just like to make it clear that whatever I say only ever applies to Scotland.

True. There's either one more or less years at school in Scotland, that's all I know. They're not massively different, it's more subtle. As for the curriculum, I have no idea if it's the same in Scotland and England, and it's bound to have changed massively since the 80's, especially since that was when education policy went Lady Gaga-esque insane.
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